antodav:

demeter42:

And that would be the reason I said that children need parents who really believe they should be at church, not just parents who think that church is an all right place to be if you’re a tiny person.

By “believe they should be at church” I mean “[the parents] believe that [the parents] should be at church” just as much as I mean “[the parents] believe that [the children] should be at church.”  

I’m here because you should learn these values but actually none of the rest of it is true other than the part about how you should live is a terrible argument that in fact does not work on people older than about six years of age.  Either be a Christian and teach your kids that, or be some secular humanist and see how far that gets you.  The middle ground doesn’t actually exist.

(Secular humanism has not been effective in convincing children to behave like civilized people for any of the parents I actually know, but I wish you the best of luck.  I assume it works for some people, at least for the first generation.)

lightforyourpath:

I’m not saying I will go back to the church for the sake of the children. I’m just saying at this point in my life I’m not focused on family and I don’t like Christianity in general right now. I don’t believe in it historically, but I believe it teaches good values. Values that when I do decide to have children I will want them to know and grow up with.

Don’t believe in it “historically”, eh? The vast majority of historians agree on the historicity of Christ, and the early apostles. But believe whatever you want to believe.

I’m writing a research paper about Mithraism which came several hundred years before Jesus and was essentially the same thing. I can believe what I want so please stop belittling me. Thank you.

demeter42:

And that would be the reason I said that children need parents who really believe they should be at church, not just parents who think that church is an all right place to be if you’re a tiny person.

By “believe they should be at church” I mean “[the parents] believe that [the parents] should be at church” just as much as I mean “[the parents] believe that [the children] should be at church.”  

I’m here because you should learn these values but actually none of the rest of it is true other than the part about how you should live is a terrible argument that in fact does not work on people older than about six years of age.  Either be a Christian and teach your kids that, or be some secular humanist and see how far that gets you.  The middle ground doesn’t actually exist.

(Secular humanism has not been effective in convincing children to behave like civilized people for any of the parents I actually know, but I wish you the best of luck.  I assume it works for some people, at least for the first generation.)

lightforyourpath:

I’m not saying I will go back to the church for the sake of the children. I’m just saying at this point in my life I’m not focused on family and I don’t like Christianity in general right now. I don’t believe in it historically, but I believe it teaches good values. Values that when I do decide to have children I will want them to know and grow up with.

That isn’t what I meant either… Sorry for being stupid I guess.

demeter42:

Arguments against “organized religion” sometimes usually frustrate me. And generally speaking, you don’t have to be at church to be Mormon. It’s about faith and charity and good works and all that jazz, more than where you spend Sunday afternoons (or mornings.)

And I gotta say… children…

I’m not saying I will go back to the church for the sake of the children. I’m just saying at this point in my life I’m not focused on family and I don’t like Christianity in general right now. I don’t believe in it historically, but I believe it teaches good values. Values that when I do decide to have children I will want them to know and grow up with.